Looking Back At WYES - Saturday International Beer Tasting

Man, what a weekend!  The Friday night Private Beer Sampling was phenomenal, but Saturday brought the extravaganza that was the WYES International Beer Tasting.  Just like Friday, the Saturday night event was moved in 2013 to Mardi Gras World along the river right after the convention center.  The location is awesome, Mandi and I were able to walk back to our hotel after the Friday night fun, sleep in, and then walk to lunch and a few beers at Barcadia before heading to Mardi Gras World early to help set up for the Brasseurs A La Maison homebrew club.  

Unlike Friday night, we had one of our beers on tap, so we were there as more than just beer drinkers.  Before too long we had the Tap-A-Canoe ready to go, but it was already past 4, so rather than head somewhere to drink we decided to start trying all of our club brews!  Usually at festivals like Zapp's or WYES I only get to try a small sample of our club's offerings.  This time I was determined to try them all, and it was a paltry 26 taps compared to the 40 we had at Zapp's.  

Of course beer tastings meant restroom breaks, and unfortunately the only set of restrooms was located at the entire opposite end from us... so that of course meant it was easy to grab a commercial beer on the way back.  Before I was even halfway through the canoe 6:00 had rolled around and the crowds started pouring in. 

Yeah, that's a lot of people!  And that was at the very beginning before the crowd got even bigger.  We were in the far corner above the HOMEBREWS sign, but I had to take the time to get this angle.  Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to do much tasting of other homebrew clubs, or commercial beers.  It's just too big of a festival and by the end of the night I had barely made it through our club's tap list.  

All in all though, a great time.  I don't regret missing out on the commercial brews but I do regret not trying more from the other homebrew clubs.  I guess there's always next year!  If I could make one recommendation, it's to be sure to go on Friday night for the commercial special releases and then on Saturday night for the homebrew selection. 

Looking Back At WYES - Friday Private Beer Sampling

Alright, I've had a few days to recover from a weekend of drinking in New Orleans at the two-day WYES Beer Tastings.  In case you didn't make it... here's what you missed at the Friday night Private Beer Tasting!

First off, the location this year for both events was at Mardi Gras World, in adjoining spaces.  This is phenomenal for people like me from out of town because I can get a hotel (went with the Hilton Convention Center location) and easily walk to both nights, plus be in range of everywhere else we want to go.  Last year the Friday night event was at the fairgrounds and the Saturday night event was at the UNO arena.  This location plus having the events at the same location is far superior.

That said, how about the venue itself?  For Friday night we were in a faux-plantation room complete with trees and illuminated night sky.  The beer tables were spread all along the perimeter and honestly the only complaint I could have about the space is that it was really dark.  Too dark to take good pictures of the scene as a whole, but I took some of the highlights!

A few weeks back I wrote about all the beer I wanted to try at the Friday night event and honestly, I didn't even get to them all.  There was just too much good stuff. 

My regrets were not getting to Abita at all... you all know I'm not the biggest Abita fan in the world, but they had the Strawator and a specialty cask on hand and I missed them both.  I also missed out on a couple of new offerings from Sam Adams.  I also missed most of what Cajun Fire had to offer... by the time I made their table it was just the Root Beer Ale left.  Damn. 

The Highlights!
Parish Single-Hop IPA series: Andrew had Pacifica, Calypso, and Chinook single-hop IPAs, and all were delicious while also education regarding the hop profiles.
Great Raft Ermahgerd Hops: Awesome double IPA from this Shreveport brewery in planning.
Gnarly Barley Porter Rican: Delicious as expected.
Mudbug Cajun Stout: Really a well done beer.
Tin Roof Rougarou Black Ale: I hope we see this more often from the local guys.
Covington Anonymous IPA: I hope we see this more often from the North Shore! 
The Homebrews: Brasseurs A La Maison, Brewstock, Mystic Krewe of Brew, and George's Beers all had some great stuff.  I didn't try every one, but I cam close.

The Misses.
Chafunkta Brewing FontaineBlue Berry Wheat IPA: I love these guys, but this just didn't do it for me.
Mudbug King Cake Lager: The beer itself was tasty, but I spent the next several still tasting the cinnamon sugar from the glass.  I think it would be a great addition to a regular pint but didn't work well in a festival setting.
Old Rail Cow Catcher Milk Chocolate Stout: I wasn't too impressed with this one... fortunately their Seven Sisters IPA was quite nice.
Main Grain / Bombastic Brewers Crawfish Beer: I don't think I'm alone in this one.  Yikes. I applaud the creativity, but sometimes it's a swing and a miss.  Fortunately Ron's other beer was a Rum Barrel Russian Imperial Cream Stout, and it was a home run.

The WINNERS!
Alright, as hard as it is to pick a winner, I came away more impressed with Crooked Letter Brewing out of Mississippi than anyone else.  Maybe it's because they were new to me, or maybe it's because they brought a couple of awesome beers.  Their Mystery Romp Coffee Chocolate Porter was phenomenal and probably my favorite beer of the night.  Their other offering, the Mariposa Pale Ale brewed with mango, jalapeno, and cilantro was also delicious.  Mystery Romp is the only one I went back to for seconds, so congrats to Crooked Letter for impressing me the most of anyone Friday night!

And now for some pictures...

Brasseurs A La Maison

 

Crooked Letter Brewing... in case you can't read the shirt!

Great Raft Brewing

George's Homebrewing

Brewstock Homebrews

Countdown to WYES!

First of all, congratulations to Kym Walsh of Baton Rouge for winning the ticket giveaway last week!  Kym won a pair of tickets to the WYES International Beer Tasting being held this Saturday, June 22nd. 

You can't go Saturday night?  Well have no fear, there is also the WYES Private Beer Sampling being held at Mardi Gras World (same location for both nights) on Friday, June 21st.  Yes, that's also exactly one year before I'm getting married, so I'll be looking to celebrate.  I went into detail a few weeks ago about some of the good beers to expect that Friday night, so today it's going to be about what I'm looking forward to the most on Saturday night. 

Here's the link for the full brochure for both nights... as you can see there are a LOT of top notch commercial beers available.  The good stuff like Anchor, Atlanta Brewing, Boston Beer, Brooklyn Brewery, Chimay, Duvel, Full Sail, Goose Island, Green Flash, Harpoon, Mendocino, Moylan's, New Belgium, North Coast, Ommegang, Rogue, Schmaltz, Sierra Nevada, Southern Tier, Stone, and Unibroue. That's already quite a lineup and I'm just getting warmed up.

There will also be the full lineup of local & regional breweries like Abita, Bayou Teche, Chafunkta, Covington, Crooked Letter, Lazy Magnolia, NOLA, Parish, Saint Arnold, Spoetzl, and Tin Roof.  Of those, only Crooked Letter out of Mississippi isn't available locally.  You can bet I'm going to try their stuff.  And don't be surprised if a few of these guys have something at the festival that you can't normally get. 

After this is where it starts to get REALLY interesting... because this is a not-for-profit organization and event, they can allow the "breweries in planning" to attend and serve their beer.  They'll be listed as the "Independents" in the brochure due to not having a distributor yet, but don't miss these breweries.  This will be the start of stuff that you probably haven't tried before.  40 Arpent out of Arabi will be there, as well as Bombastic Beers in Abita Spring, a project started by Ron of Main Grain Homebrew Supplies.  Cajun Fire out of New Orleans is going to be there for at least the second year in a row, as will BR Beer Scene favorite Gnarly Barley Brewing from Hammond and Mudbug Brewery from Thibodaux. From out of state there will be the Pensacola Bay Brewery (listed as an independent since they don't have a LA distributor) and the Middle Bay Brewery from Mobile, AL.  And lastly, Louisiana newcomer Tu Lu Lu Brewery from Cut Off, the only one that I've never tried before.  I'll definitely be sure to check them out.

Finally, in my opinion the best part of a festival like this is the homebrewers.  There will be 14 different homebrew groups represented, from Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida.  And yeah I'm biased because I'm a member of the Brasseurs A La Maison and my fiance' and I brewed a beer for the festival, but the homebrews are what you need to try.  Mostly because they tend to come 5-gallons at a time and when they are gone, they are gone.  Maybe never to be brewed again.  Find them, try them, talk to the people that brewed the beer... and most of all, enjoy!

With that... I can't wait.  Hope to see plenty of readers down in New Orleans this weekend!

Win Two Tickets to the WYES International Beer Tasting!

Do you want to check out all the beers featured at the WYES International Beer Tasting on June 22nd in New Orleans?  BR Beer Scene will be giving away a pair of tickets this Sunday afternoon, all you have to do to enter is either share this post on Facebook, or become a new follower of the BR Beer Scene Facebook page.  I'm going to take the names of all shares and new followers and conduct a random drawings at approximately noon on Sunday, June 16th, and then I'll promptly announce the winner and contact you via Facebook. 

Also be sure to like the WYES Facebook page... it won't help you win, but it shows some support to the organization putting on the tasting. 

WYES Private Beer Sampling Beer List!

Hey everyone, I was sent an advance copy of the WYES Private Beer Sampling beer list for Friday, June 21st... it's of course not finalized and subject to change, but I thought I'd share some of the beers that interest me the most.  One of the best things about the Friday Private Beer Sampling is that breweries bring out some one-off special release beers and often casks.  There are also select homebrews available, plus there will be food from Cabot Creamery, Sun Ray Grill and Zapp's Potato Chips!  All included with the ticket price. 

Also, be sure to check back next week as I'll be giving away a pair of tickets to the WYES International Beer Tasting on Saturday, June 22nd!  Giveaway details to come later.

So here are the beers that really caught my eye when looking over the list:

Abita Strawator - 8.0% - American Strong Lager - Sounds like an attempt to combine the Strawberry Harvest Lager with the Andygator?  I'm intrigued, for sure.

Abita Specialty Firkin - TBD - This is what I was talking about above... the breweries break out some special stuff for the Private Beer Sampling.

Boston Beer Company Stonybrook - 9.0% - American Wild Ale - Will try this for sure.

Sierra Nevada Hoptimum - 10.4% - Double IPA - So this isn't new or limited, but it's one of my favorite Double IPAs and I haven't had it yet in 2013, so that along has my mouth watering.

NOLA Special Cask - TBD - Just like the Abita above, this is one I will seek out, no matter what it is.  NOLA will also have some of their standard brews, including the Mechahopzilla and 7th Street Wheat.

40 Arpent Berliner Weiss - 4.0% - 40 Arpent is one of the several breweries in planning that will be represented, I'm looking forward to their take on a German sour style.

Cajun Fire Brewing - These guys are planning on bringing a Lemon Berry Ale, Hoppy Hour Double IPA, Acadiana Honey Ale, and Root Beer Ale.  I plan on trying all four.

Chafunkta Brewing FontaineBlue Berry Wheat IPA - 6.5% - Fruit Beer - A wheat IPA with Japanese and American hops plus fresh LA blueberries?  I'm excited to try this offering from Louisiana's newest craft brewery.

Gnarly Barley Porter Rican - 6.0% - Porter - I've heard a lot about this brew from Gnarly Barley, so I'm excited to try it... a Baltic Milk Porter infused with organic toasted coconut and aged on rum soaked oak chips. They had me at Gnarly.

Great Raft Ermahgerd Hops - 7.5% - Double IPA - Love the name from this Shreveport brewery in planning... they should be legal pretty soon.

Great Raft Reasonably Corrupt - 4.8% - Schwarzbier - Another one from Shreveport's brewery in planning, nothing wrong with a good schwarzbier!

Mudbug King Cake Ale - 4.0% - Spiced Ale - Yes, it lives up to the name.

Mudbug Cask Conditioned Chocolate Cajun Stout - 5.5% - American Stout - I like everything about that.  

Old Rail Cow Catcher Milk Chocolate Stout - 5.7% - Milk Stout - About time we see something from this brewpub in Mandeville!   

Old Rail Seven Sisters IPA - 7.0% - American IPA - More from this new brewpub in Mandeville.

Tu Lu Lu Kölsch - 5.0% - Kölsch - Nothing really exciting about a kölsch to me, but apparently there's a new brewery in planning, and THAT is exciting.

Crooked Letter Brewing - This new brewery from Ocean Springs, MS is expected to bring 5 beers to the party.  I'm expected to try them all.

Parish Calypso Single Hop IPA - 6.5% - American IPA - I want to try everything Parish makes.  Everything.

Parish Pacifica Single Hope IPA - 6.5% - American IPA - See above.

Tin Roof Rougarou Black Ale - 9.5% - Double Black IPA - I've been wanting to try this Tin Roof offering ever since I heard about it. 

Homebrewers - Honestly, the best thing about any festival that allows homebrewers is well... the homebrews.  There are a lot of beers above to try, but there will be several homebrews as well, including two from my club, the Brasseurs A La Maison.  Last year I wasn't able to try them all, and looking back at the list above, I probably won't this year either.  At least not if I want to remember them.

WYES 2013 Beer Tastings in New Orleans - Coming June 21-22!

I was able to attend both events last year with Mandi and the Brasseurs homebrew club, and I had a great time.  Here are links to the 2012 Private Beer Sampling and the 2012 International Beer Tasting recaps. I'll be back in 2013 to try all the new beers and serve up one of our own at the Saturday event!

The beer lists aren't out yet, but the initial press release is below.  When the lists are out I'll let you know some to definitely try before they are gone!  Here's the link to buy tickets to either event!

WYES will be holding its annual beer tastings June 21 & 22 at Mardi Gras World, 1380 Port of Orleans Place on the East Bank. Friday night's beer sampling is considered more of a VIP event due to beer makers showcasing their one-offs, casks and sometimes, new beers! PLUS, this year Chef Tom Hinyup from Sun Ray Grill will prepare tasty fare for all attendees while sampling their tasty brews. MORE DETAILS TO COME.

WYES is thrilled about its 30th Annual WYES INTERNATIONAL BEER TASTING!! This year all tickets $30 in advance in honor of the anniversary. 

WYES has been providing beer lovers in New Orleans a signature annual fundraising event for 30 years! The money raised stays local and provides funding for future programming and outreach community events. 

New this year (for Saturday's event only), a designated driver ticket for $15. (What that includes TBD)

Also, we are talking to local food trucks who will be parking outside of the event. (details to come) 4 trucks most probably. 

At Saturday's event, guests should come thirsty with a chance sample a choice of over 250 beers!

5th Annual
WYES PRIVATE BEER SAMPLING
Friday, June 21, 7-10pm
Mardi Gras World
1380 Port of Orleans Place
$50

30th Annual
WYES INTERNATIONAL BEER TASTING
Saturday, June 22, 6-9pm
Mardi Gras World
1380 Port of Orleans Place
$15 designated driver 

$30 advance

$40 door 

ABOUT WYES:
For over 55 years, WYES has worked to inform, teach, illuminate, entertain and inspire our entire community. It is the oldest public television station serving southeast Louisiana and the Mississippi Gulf Coast, the 12th oldest in the nation, and the most utilized non-profit organization in our two states with as many as a half-million people using our broadcasts, outreach activities and website each week. We are proud to be part of the nationʼs largest classroom, the largest stage for the arts and a trusted window to the world. For more information, call (504) 486-5511 or visit wyes.org. Follow WYES on Facebook and Twitter.

WYES Private Beer Sampling Recap

Alright, after a few weeks of hype and impatience, the long awaited WYES Private Beer Sampling was finally upon us.  Mandi and I took off a bit early to grab a bite to eat at Avenue Pub, because no beer trip to New Orleans is ever complete without a trip to the pub, right?  They had Canebrake on tap so I had that and after a few other beers and some sandwiches it was off to the fairgrounds for the beer sampling.  I had read up a bit on some of the breweries that would be there and was excited for some of the Tin Roof Porter, Abita's barrel aged beers, and trying several of the homebrews from the New Orleans clubs.  Honestly there were so many local options that I didn't even need to get into all the various other beers.

The highlights:

Parish Canebrake through the hop Randall: delicious and obviously extra hoppy.

Tin Roof Coffee Porter:  The rumor mill says this could be the next seasonal and if this recipe works large scale then it'll be their best beer yet.

Abita Bourbon-Barrel Aged Doubledog: Aged in Buffalo Trace barrels, this is a strong improvement on the mediocre regular Doubledog.

Lazy Magnolia Southern Hops'pitality IPA: Good IPA that we should see more of.

Saint Arnold Endeavour DIPA: Fantastic double IPA, should be available locally.

Mudbug Brewery Cajun Stout: A low-abv stout with some cayenne, pretty good.

Mudbug Brewery King Cake Lager: This one had me worried but was actually quite delicious, really surprised me!

Brewstock Imperial Hazelnut Brown and Black IPA: Two brews from the local New Orleans homebrew store, both were fantastic.

Crescent City Homebrewers Strong Scotch Ale: A very good homebrew, in my opinion.

Mystic Krewe Of Brew: I tried most of their selections and really enjoyed the Rosemary Pale Ale, Hot Chocolate Porter, and the Imperial Vanilla Milk Stout. 

Disappointments:

Yeah, there were a few disappointments... it happens when you try so much beer.

Abita 18th Star Biere de Garde: Mediocre beer, which is a shame because usually their selects are pretty solid.

Bayou Teche Cafe' Brulot Biere Joi: Sorry guys, this just didn't work for me.

Tin Roof Zythos Hop Project: I think even they were let down by this one. 

Nothing really new from NOLA Brewing... they had a cask Hurricane Saison but I was hoping for something a little more from them at their local festival.

Rogue Voodoo Maple Bacon Ale: I had been wanting to try it but not wanting to buy a full bottle.  After tasting it I'm glad I didn't spend the money.

Regrets: 

Not drinking more from Crescent City Homebrewers, they had 5 or 6 beers and I only tried one... oops! 

Totally missing out on Cajun Fire Brewing, a "brewery in planning" in New Orleans.

I missed the New Orleans Rum Barrel Aged Abbey Ale from Abita... would have liked to give it a try.

That's the summary, and as you can see there were a lot more highlights than disappointments.  I didn't even get to some of the really good craft beers there like the Stone RIS, Brooklyn Sorachi Ace, or Schmaltz Human Blockhead.  There were just too many locals and homebrews to try everything as it was.  At the end Mandi and I were both thorougly satisfied with some great beers and a few we might never get to try again. And because I know pictures make every blog post better, here are some of the best ones:

WYES International Beer Tasting - Tomorrow!

Tomorrow might be tonight by the time you read this, but the WYES International Beer Tasting will be June 2nd, at 6 PM at the New Orleans Lakefront Arena.  All of Louisiana's breweries plus several others from around the region will be represented, in addition to the homebrew clubs!  

WYES is a not-for-profit event, like the Zapp's Beerfest in Baton Rouge, so they are allowed to serve beers from area homebrewers as well and in-progress breweries like Chafunkta Brewing, Gnarly Barley Brewing, and the most recent addition, 40 Arpent Brewing.  I'm excited about trying all of those, in addition to serving up another couple of batched of my own homebrew with the Brasseurs A La Maison, Baton Rouge's largest homebrew club.  Hope to see you there!

Homebrews @ WYES International Beer Tasting!

Hello everyone! The WYES International Beer Tasting is coming up soon and I'm really excited to be a part of it with Brasseurs A La Maison.  We will be there in full force with the tap canoe showing off another round of impressive homebrews.  For those who were at the Zapp's Beer Festival you probably remember the tap canoe, and if you missed it, you don't have to wait a full year.  We will be out on Saturday June 2nd, but there is also a Private Beer Sampling on June 1st that will feature a homebrew or two.  Come on out to either date (or both!) and get your beer fix next weekend.

WYES Internation Beer Tasting - Beer Lineup!

Hey everyone, for those thinking about going to the WYES International Beer Tasting on June 2nd, or the Private Tasting the night before, the beer lineups for both events have been released!

There is plenty of good stuff on tap... here are a few that I'm looking forward to the most:

At the Private Tasting:

Abita Barrel Aged Abbey Ale

NOLA Hurricane Saison cask-conditioned

Stone Imperial Russian Stout

Tin Roof Black Tin Coffee Porter

Chafunkta Brewing's offerings

All of the Homebrewers!  

At the International Beer Tasting:

NOLA Brewing

Schmaltz Brewing

Lazy Magnolia Southern Hops'pitality

Lazy Magnolia Deep South Pale Ale

Parish Brewing

Tin Roof Brewing

40 Arpent Brewing (first look at this newcomer from St. Bernard Parish)

Chafunkta Brewing

Mobile Brewing (Another new one!)

Gnarly Barley Brewing

and of course... all the Homebrewers!

I imagine I'll spend most of my time drinking the homebrews, just like at Zapp's in Baton Rouge.  There are plenty of worthwhile commercial beers though, so if you want to try a bunch of local and regional beers all in one place, this is where you need to be June 2nd! 

WYES International Beer Tasting - 23 Days To Go!

The countdown is on... just 23 days until the WYES International Beer Tastings in New Orleans.  This is one event I've heard about and read about on other beer blogs for a few years now but never been able to attend myself, but in 2012, that will change.  I'll be there not only as a blogger, but also as a member of Brasseurs A La Maison serving up some homebrewed goodness.  If you're looking for something to do June 2nd, make the short trip to New Orleans and try some new beers and some excellent homebrews!

Here are the official details:

29th annual 

WYES International Beer Tasting

Saturday, June 2, 2012

6-9pm

Lakefront Arena

6801 Franklin Avenue  

New Orleans, LA 70122

504-486-5511 x200

$30-$45

In Advance:
$30 active military (new this year!)
$30 groups of 6 or more
$30 seniors 55+
$35 per person

$45 Day Of

email: events@wyes.org

website: http://www.wyes.org/beer/

ticket info.: http://www.wyes.org/beer/tickets/

facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WyesBeer

JOIN WYES, YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATION, ALONG WITH LOCAL AND NATIONAL BEER DISTRIBUTORS FOR TWO DAYS OF BEER TASTING – AND WELL…JUST FOR A REAL GOOD TIME!

On Saturday, June 2 from 6-9pm at the Lakefront Arena don’t miss the 29th annual WYES INT’L BEER TASTING! Guests will enjoy a quarter-mile of beer by sampling regional craft beers, ales and lagers. Be sure not to miss out on our beer seminars (short & sweet, but right to the point and informative).

The Tap Canoe Returns At WYES International Beer Tasting!

For those who made it out to the Zapp's International Beerfest in mid April you might remember the Brasseurs A La Maison tap canoe which stole the show.  One of the fun things about Zapp's is that it's a not-for-profit event which allows homebrewers and up and coming breweries that aren't licensed yet to serve their beers in additional to all the commercial guys. 

WYES is coming up on June 2nd in New Orleans, and it's also a not-for-profit event, so homebrewers are welcome and that means that tap canoe is coming out.  If you can get down to New Orleans that night you won't regret it... here's the official information:

29th annual 

WYES International Beer Tasting

Saturday, June 2, 2012

6-9pm

Lakefront Arena

6801 Franklin Avenue  

New Orleans, LA 70122

504-486-5511 x200

$30-$45

In Advance:
$30 active military (new this year!)
$30 groups of 6 or more
$30 seniors 55+
$35 per person

$45 Day Of

email: events@wyes.org

website: http://www.wyes.org/beer/

ticket info.: http://www.wyes.org/beer/tickets/

facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WyesBeer

JOIN WYES, YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATION, ALONG WITH LOCAL AND NATIONAL BEER DISTRIBUTORS FOR TWO DAYS OF BEER TASTING – AND WELL…JUST FOR A REAL GOOD TIME!

On Saturday, June 2 from 6-9pm at the Lakefront Arena don’t miss the 29th annual WYES INT’L BEER TASTING! Guests will enjoy a quarter-mile of beer by sampling regional craft beers, ales and lagers. Be sure not to miss out on our beer seminars (short & sweet, but right to the point and informative).

I'll have another version of praline dubbel there, so I hope to see a lot of friendly beer loving faces!

 

Green Flash Debut At WYES International Beer Tasting?

For those who don't know, every year for a while now WYES (facebook - twitter), the New Orleans public broadcasting station, holds a large International Beer Tasting!  This year's event is coming up soon, Saturday June 2nd, and it should be pretty fantastic.  In addition to the lineup of Louisiana breweries, other good craft beers, and homebrewers, rumor has it that Green Flash Brewing (facebook - twitter) will be there as part of their arrival into the Louisiana market.  

I've tried many Green Flash beers that I've picked up in Texas and they will be a great addition to our local beer scene.  I've also heard that they will have an Avenue Pub roll-out date, but haven't confirmed that yet.  

So, just in case you needed another excuse to spend an evening in New Orleans drinking beer, check out Green Flash at WYES.  There is also going to be a limited space private beer tasting on Friday night, so maybe we can seen some special Green Flash beers there?  I'll definitely be there to find out.